Jax-Brit-Ex-Pat-Pat
Published by Ninth Stage June 6th, 2008 in Crime, Culture, Ignorance.Patrick Lockyer, a British born retiree living in Jacksonville, asserts, two times,
Fort Myers is more dangerous than London you idiots. Brits call violent crime ‘purse snatching’. Totally different planet and species reading your stuff. Jax had 150 shootings just a last year.
Ignoring the name calling, we have the assertion that Fort Meyers, Florida, is more dangerous than London, UK; British violent crime is mostly “purse snatching”; and an implication that Jacksonville is more violent than London.
I found 2006 crime data for Fort Meyers and Jacksonville easily and quickly. Turns out that Fort Meyers suffers violent crime at almost three times (ouch!) the U.S. rate and Jax’s rate is about 50% over. Our Paddy O’Lockyer seems to have hedged his bets by picking a city known to locals to be particularly violent – makes him seem not too sure of his assertion.
On to London. It was harder to find data and it turns out, the London Metropolitan Police report crime by fiscal year. I’m using F.Y. 2006/2007 because it reports FEWER violent crimes than 2005/2006, and I don’t want to be accused of cherry picking the data.
In short, ambiguously ex-pat-Pat McLockyer is Dead Wrong. Here are the violent crime rated per 100 thousand inhabitants of:
USA Average: 553.5
Jacksonville: 837.2
Fort Meyers: 1577.1
London: 1717.1
And - Ratio of Violent Crimes per (purse?) snatch: 12.8 9.5 to 1
(Chart for London below the fold.)
So, as he’s batting 3 for nothing, we can dismiss Patrick Lockyer as an opinionated blowhard.
UPDATE: Sebastian finds an error. I should not have counted common assault in calculating London’s crime rate. I’ve corrected it above with the new rate of 1717.1 per 100k instead of an erroneous 2319.6.
| Metropolitan Police | London Population(2006): | 7,355,400 | ||||||||||||
| Borough | Murder | Grievous Bodily Harm | Actual Bodily Harm | Common Assault | Offensive Weapon | Harassment | Other Violence | Rape | Other Sexual | Personal Property | Business Property | |||
| Violence Against the Person | Sexual Offences | Robbery | ||||||||||||
| All | 162 | 5,102 | 72,963 | 44,315 | 6,754 | 43,407 | 9,652 | 2,304 | 7,001 | 42,460 | 3,311 | |||
| Used | 162 | 5,102 | 72,963 | 2,304 | 42,460 | 3,311 | ||||||||
| London Violent Crime | Ratio | Snatches | ||||||||||||
| Total: | 126,302 | Violent Crime/Snatch | All | 13,297 | ||||||||||
| Incidence per 100k: | 1717.1 | 9.5 | ||||||||||||
This chart is from a spreadsheet made with data from the Metropolitan Police (London UK) for 2006/2007.
Only the bold numbers are used. For example, I did not use “Offensive Weapon” (carrying one I believe - legal in most of the U.S. and, IIUC, in the U.K. an O.W. includes a carrying a common pocketknife or a kitchen knife in the car trunk), did not use “Harrasment”, undefined “Other Violence”, and did not use “Other Sexual” as it is also undefined.
I did use “Robbery” as it is considered a violent crime in the U.S. Interestingly, without the robbery figures, London still has the highest violent crime rate at 1697.3 per 100k.
For one of the biggest cities in the world? You still are more likely to get shot in Jacksonville.
I think theres 6 areas of london with diffrent crime groups
Central London - a Firm and a Yardie Posse working together in the Cocaine trade and the Albanian Mafia in soho and Vietnamese Boyz on the edge of China Town working with the Triads
Greenlines/North London - Turkish Mafia, Kurdish Mafia and Greek Cypriot Gangs, Yardie Posses and Mixed Street gangs, Albainian Mafia
East london - Firms, Mixed Street gangs, Yardie Posses, Albanian Mafia
South London - Firms, Albanian Mafia, Mixed Street gangs(hispanic/black/white)
China Town - 14k, Wo Sing Wo, Sun Yee On
West London - Pakistany/Indian/Bangaldeshy Street Gangs, Firms, NF, Mixed Street gangs, Albanian Mafia
Jakk
Middle Weight
brings your guns and cruise North Jacksonville at night or even in the day at times……. You would not you gun luvving mighty righty…….
You chose the cities and the terms - Fort Meyers and Violent Crime v. London and you are wrong.
Instead of admitting that you are wrong you change the terms of the argument, make excuses for London and find none for Jacksonville when we were talking about Fort Meyers. And I think, since you talk about city size, you may have missed the meaning of crime rate per population.
Next you talk about “cruising” with guns? First, I always have a gun. Second I do not cruise. Third, I know little about Jacksonville but I guess you are saying Jacksonville has a bad neighborhood - as if that’s a surprise? All this after you excused London for having bad neighborhoods and street gangs?
You are a mass of internal contradictions - self exiled from an idyllic nation - forced to put up with colonials. What a ponce.
No wonder these are dead threads. Try offering the same on World Have your Say. BBC.
Ouch! Now you got me. No argument - just the “try saying that to my daddy” argument.
Refute my assertion, with figures, clarify your statements, or admit you were wrong.
How about if I just link you to WHYS and you tell everyone?
I am telling everyone, here, on my own website.
YOU came here, to my site, and said I was wrong. I looked into it, found the data, proved you wrong and now, instead of engaging, you flail about, sputtering non-sequiturs.
You’re overstating the London figures a bit in comparison to the two cities in Florida. The London statics include common assault, which you need to pull out because the Florida statistics only include aggravated assault. If you do that, London still beats both cities at 1717 per 100,000, but it’s not quite the the stark contrast.